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It’s been said that Christopher Tims makes people’s dreams come true. A true master teacher and guide, Christopher is here to remind us of our own Divine nature, and the abundance of the Universe that we are. By helping us redefine our world view, Christopher guides us toward the experience of Oneness, resulting in a richly fulfilled life. On January 8th, 1988, Christopher founded The Order of The Blue Star and through it began sharing The Eternal Teachings worldwide. The Mystery of Sacred Unity revealed in The Eternal Teachings is universal and inclusive by its very nature– nothing is fragmented and everything is connected. Nothing is more inclusive than Oneness, for we all have the “eyes to see and ears to hear.” In addition to possessing and sharing the knowledge and understanding of the Eternal Teachings, Christopher embodies these powerful and profound teachings. As such, people are able to experience, through his presence or even his voice, a facilitated direct connection to Oneness. Many people report that these experiential moments with Christopher completely transcend any of the teachings, materials or information he delivers. And it is through this experiential connection to Sacred Unity or Oneness, that we will ultimately experience true freedom, and live the manifestation of our dreams. To learn more about Christopher Tims visit www.christophertims.com
Kimberly Maska: Share with us a little bit about how you got started, your journey and how you ended up here with us today.
Christopher Tims: That’s been a long and winding road. I grew up in the building trades in the Northeast. I grew up in Wilmington, Delaware, so I was groomed since the time I was a young boy to take over my father’s contracting business. To make a monarch notes version, or a short version of this story, that wasn’t going to be. I started studying martial arts when I was 14. When I was 13, I was still on track to take over the business, I was apprenticing, learning all the trades, doing all of that. Somehow, while I was doing that and in school, I was also playing music. I started playing the violin when I was six, the drums when I was 10.
This collage, this recipe, kind of formed a cocoon around me, particularly the music. It kept me wide open, it kept me very child-like and very just uncontaminated, you could say. I was always very idealistic. Everybody told me I always had rose colored glasses on, no matter what the situation was going on in life. As a young kid I remember teachers writing that in the report cards, “Christopher sees it in his own world and has rose colored glasses on.” It wasn’t going to work out for my father and I to work together. We were two very alpha males, very strong personalities. He was a World War II Normandy Vet and had his ideas on how to run a business and I had mine.
I went to college. The first time I went to college I majored in Marketing and Management and Accounting, which doesn’t fit me at all, but it was what dad wanted me to do. I learned a lot of good things. When it wasn’t going to work for dad and I to work together, I started my own contracting firms. I worked on my own in drywall and in flooring, and in renovation. I was playing music professionally, I marketed and managed every band that I was ever in. I was just this volcano of energy. Sports, competitive and recreational, just everything that was happening was just, to me, full bore. I was going to high degrees of proficiency in everything that I endeavored to be a part of, or else I just didn’t care about it. I was either all or nothing.
What that ended up being for me is that as my spiritual journey continued, while I’m working, playing music, and doing all the things a young guy does. I joined different organizations, I got kicked out of all the organizations that I was in. It wasn’t because I behaved badly, it was because I didn’t buy into the dogma. I questioned everything, and most importantly, this is the part that we’re going to really develop today for everybody in the business of spiritual life, is that I experienced things that other people in new thought, new age, and in business.
I experienced things that people just believe in, have faith in, and think that they understand. As you yourself, I’m sure know, when you study something and understand it with your mind and then believe in it, as you would stumble into the experience of that, the experience is quite transcendent and quite different than what you ever thought it was going to be in your concept. I found that the majority of people that are in a lot of this field, whether it’s in contracting work, whether it’s in music, whether it’s in spiritual life here, teach from a conceptual base, not an experiential base. They live their business life from a conceptual idea rather than a practical, boots on the ground, kind of a way of looking at life.
When I got tired of getting kicked out of all my organizations that I joined, we all want to have friendships, we all want to belong, when that didn’t work for me, I sold a couple Jeeps and trucks and motorcycles, equipment, all those kind of stuff and I converted a van into a traveling kind of a caravan thing. I started talking to people about my spiritual experiences. There was no marketing plan, there was no business perspectives, there was no anything. There was just an idea, but I knew that I didn’t want to do what I was doing, so I cleared all that off my table.
I knew that if this didn’t work what I was trying to do, that I could always go back into the trades, go back into playing music to make a living. I knew that I had to put all of myself into this. It’s very important that I had other skills that I could fall back upon. It wasn’t as if I was trying to make my spiritual life support me. I had some savings, I had some money as a base, but I was living very simply. Frankly, back in 1987, 1988, when I started all this Kimberly, I would sleep in the back of the van that I converted into a futon. Had tubs underneath the bed, where all my clothes were and equipment and stuff for recording teachings.
Of course there was no real internet that people could use commonly and no cell phone. It was just quite an interesting journey. To show you, and we’re going to touch upon this in a little while, but with no marketing, with no outreach, with no real visibility, I just hit a few of the psychic fairs to do lectures, to demonstrate some of the healing work I was developing with sound. Then within two years, I was teaching in different cities, from Vancouver to Montreal, to Miami, to Santa Cruz. It was all word of mouth.
Kimberly Maska: Wow, that’s amazing. You clearly had a gift that everyone needed.
Christopher Tims: Apparently. It’s the non-stop extravaganza that’s just kind of continued over these 27 years. There are a few really foundational ideas that I’d like to talk to people about about how to run a business in spiritual life.
Kimberly Maska: Fantastic. I would love to hear them. You clearly have the experience to share, so let’s do it.
Christopher Tims: The first thing is understand that no matter what you’re doing, whether you’re running a contracting business, whether you’re running a broadcast network, whether you’re at home raising children, everything that you’re doing in life is spiritual work. Everything is, in yoga it’s called Bhakti. Bhakti means devotional service, it’s your devotional service to God. Everything is done with this idea of serving God. Serving God doesn’t mean what people think it means. It’s not dropping to your knees in prayer. It’s not worshiping the guru, the master, or the savior, any of that kind of stuff. Worshiping God, when you take it from the original languages, old Hebrew, Aramaic, means a deliberate seeking for harmony with what in Aramaic is called the abune . Abune means sacred unity or oneness.
There’s a deliberate effort each day to remove the obstacles within myself, to let go of really the obstacles within myself, to surrender more completely into this union, into this state. In yoga it’s called the yalking. This yalk, yalking is emerging of yin and yan, the transcendence of duality. I know that sounds like a lofty concept to apply on the canvas of relationships, business, all of this. It’s really not, it’s really a very natural thing to do, to find a living equilibrium and harmony, a dance with your environment.
Everything is this dance. Everything is this spiritual work. Whether you’re managing people’s money, whether you’re raising children, again, playing music, marketing spiritual teachings to the world. It doesn’t matter what you’re doing. What matters is how you’re doing it. Are you doing it as an act of worship? Are you doing it as an act of seeking deeper and deeper harmony? Does this make sense?
Kimberly Maska: It absolutely does. That resonates with me so much. It’s really a refreshing way to look at it. I don’t think people see what they’re doing as a service to God.
Christopher Tims: No they don’t. When one studies the Western approaches to marketing and management, business development, all of this, you come up with the basic system that is applied into government, is applied to our healthcare, which is really a sickness care, it’s not a healthcare, and the world at large. I think you’ll see this, Kimberly, it’s called a problem reaction solution. This is a problem reaction solution system. The whole idea is that you point out a problem, you go to the doctor, he points out a problem. He doesn’t tell you what’s right with you, and what’s awesome and strong about you. The doctor tells you what’s wrong with you. When you look through the eyes of government into the world, they’re always looking into other countries, they’re looking into people’s lives and telling you what’s wrong with them and what they have to do to fix you.
Kimberly Maska: That is so true, especially physicians, right? They really focus on what’s wrong with us, on the negative side of everything, instead of what’s right.
Christopher Tims: Oh yeah, and a number of physicians in different modalities are involved in these teachings that I share. They understand how their training and they’re working to literally deprogram themselves from that view to still use the technologies that help us. When I break a leg, I want to have somebody fix it. There’s a place for everything, but then we have to look at what’s the bigger picture, not just look at the symptoms. Anyway, in classic marketing, you create a need, that’s noticing a problem. Then you react to that with, “Oh my, look at what’s going on with you. I have a solution. For one low, low, low, low price, you can have my solution, which is going to solve this problem that you may not even know you had until I pointed it out to you.”
Kimberly Maska: They were fine until we pointed out what was wrong. We said, “It looks wrong with you.”
Christopher Tims: That’s right, that’s exactly right. My grandfather was a classic example of that. He was a very healthy man in his mid ’70s, had never been to a doctor since, I think my father told me he was in his early 20’s when my Pop Pop, my grandpa went to a doctor the last time.
Kimberly Maska: Wow.
Christopher Tims: It was 50 some years since he’d been to a doctor. All his children said, “You got to go to the doctor, you’re getting older, we need to check you out. You don’t know what’s going on.” The doctors told him he had 30 things going on with him and he died five days later.
Kimberly Maska: Oh my …
Christopher Tims: He was so worried about what would happen, that he took that problem and the reaction to it. They wanted him to take all these medications. They wanted him to have all these tests. He was so worried and then all the children were worried, so you have all that energy feeding you. Boom, he just dropped.
Kimberly Maska: That is unbelievable. It’s incredible, the power of the mind, right?
Christopher Tims: It’s the power of the mind. How do you have what I call, capitalism with a conscience? We have to have capitalism with a conscience instead of what we have today, which is just the abandonment from many corporations and many people that are involved in work, where they just create a problem in its appearance within a situation, or a person, or a community, and then they come in and offer the solution to it. This is just classic, it’s just classic stuff over and over and over again.
Many of them, and I want to qualify that and say, many times, much of the time here, it’s not done with a sense of inherent evil about the person. It’s done because everyone else does it that way so it must be okay. Then there’s no weight upon one’s conscience for the heavy marketing, for the telling you what you need in order to be okay type of a thing. If everyone’s doing it, it must be just okay. Then you don’t want to not do it, because then you don’t want to get the return that you’re really looking for to make your business profitable.
Kimberly Maska: It’s a slippery slope, isn’t it? It’s a very fine line.
Christopher Tims: It’s a way slippery slope. Let’s start this part of the discussion with something simple. This is something that many people don’t want to hear. In one of my private sessions I did yesterday on the phone with a lady, I told her this and it was a great sense of relief. We’ll see what everybody in the audience has the feel about this. It’s not the job of your spiritual life to financially support you.
Kimberly Maska: Wow, that’s a different approach.
Christopher Tims: Not at all. If it does, by some beautiful flow of the universe, then that’s glorious, but the job of your spiritual path, your spiritual journey, each one of you out there, is to provide a gateway or a pathway through which you can untangle yourself from yourself to experience that you were never born, that you will never die, the true you that is eternal and divine. You have to be able to prove to yourself that what we call death here, death is a doorway and on both sides of that doorway there is life. That’s the purpose of your spiritual life. That’s the purpose of all the esoteric traditions, all the shamanic traditions. Everything is to take you to that point beyond this temporary residence of our consciousness, into your true nature.
Then what happens, the great gift of that experience, Kimberly, is then when you come back here, you’re fearless. You are fearless to try to be loved once again when you’ve been hurt. To be in business once again when you’ve failed. To do new things that you’ve never done before and you have to learn and you’re wondering whether you can still learn new things. You become just fearless. What an amazing way to live life. It’s much like you’re being four years old all over again, where you’re not afraid to do anything. You’re just wide open. You’re just running into the day full bore, just because you can.
Kimberly Maska: I love that fearless analogy, because is what holds us back.
Christopher Tims: It’s true power. What happens in a lot of new thought, and I work with a lot of people in new thought and new age and coming out of religious life in this business kind of an idea. They say, “I’m getting this message that the universe wants me to quit my day job and do this healing practice full-time.” That I’m supposed to be a speaker or that I’m supposed to write this book.
Kimberly Maska: So often that’s such a strong calling. What do you propose that they do?
Christopher Tims: I propose to these people that perhaps it’s not the God that you’re thinking about speaking to you, or that universe in that big cosmic sense that you’re thinking about. Perhaps it’s the part of you that’s just tired of working. The part of you that doesn’t want to plug in. The part of you that wants the self esteem and self worth that you’ll develop if you become a noted speaker, or author, or healer. Perhaps it’s about self worth and self esteem for you. It’s not really about listening to this inner guidance. People don’t like to hear that.
Kimberly Maska: No.
Christopher Tims: I said, “Let me tell you from my perspective. From my experience, as I had my beginnings of the epiphanies and the a-has, that took me on the journey to move forward to be the head of these teachings since 1988, that I always had in the back of my truck, or the motor home, or whatever I was cruising in at that time, touring non-stop for almost 15 years, all around the world. My tools were always with me. I could always bid jobs somewhere in the middle of South Dakota if I didn’t have any money. California, Texas, Arkansas, wherever I happened to be, Florida. If the teachings weren’t going the way that I thought I wanted them to go to support me, I didn’t throw a spiritual tantrum. I just thought, ‘You know what? I need a break from this anyway.’ I would go bid some work and take care of things.”
Kimberly Maska: You know you’re totally right, because we can’t create abundance when we’re stressed. Use those tools in your toolbox. I know I’ve done that, I’ve consulted for companies when I needed to be able to keep the business going so that this wasn’t my primary thing if it couldn’t be. I wasn’t going to force it, I had to allow the universe to bring it so that I wasn’t operating out of fear. When you’re operating out of fear, nothing can happen.
Christopher Tims: That’s right. I never did that with my music either. I saw many very, very talented guitarists and vocalists ruin themselves because they would quit their day jobs and they would just try to make music support them. It just destroyed them. They began to hate their music, they began to not have the creative flow, and I watched it happen over and over again. It turned into a very self destructive cycle. Even though I was playing out four or five nights a week, for years, I was still working commercial construction 7:00 to 3:30, five days a week. It’s because I wanted my art to be my art. That’s what your spiritual life is, everybody, your inner journey. Once you take time and really nourish that, then when you want to market something, when you want to go into business, when you want to do something that doesn’t seem to be particularly spiritual, you take all that you’ve been cultivating and nourishing in your spiritual path with you.
Kimberly Maska: It really takes the pressure off.
Christopher Tims: Yes.
Kimberly Maska: Yeah.
Christopher Tims: Yes, no pressure. No pressure. If I may, there is this one thing I wanted to mention about how do you market something like this if you’re not going to do problem, reaction, solution?
Kimberly Maska: We all want to know. I know I want to know.
Christopher Tims: This is another thing that really irritates people too, but it’s the truth, after all these years. I just see it burying, not just in me, but in other people that feel this way and live this kind of life, is that I’ve paid a lot of big money for marketing. I’ve bought whole page ads, I’ve done all kinds of good marketing strategies, repetitious marketing, establishing momentum within someone’s mind memory and their consciousness in local areas before I come in, and all this stuff. Almost no return on that investment. Wow, it’s amazing, it’s amazing. But what happened was I realized, “what did work?”
Gosh, all of a sudden things exploded within two years and I was teaching to big groups in places that I had never even been to before, who had never heard of me, but all of a sudden there’s a room full of people. What’s going on? I realized that the marketing is really the quality of the work and the clarity with which I’m living my life on a day to day basis. I let the work speak for itself. The visibility takes care of itself basically by reputation. People in our culture today are really looking for the magic pill, the quick fix. People are looking for marketing strategies and how to get visibility in the market before they even have a sound product to sell.
Kimberly Maska: Absolutely. It’s really about getting into alignment and then knowing what you have. You can’t go out and serve your tribe if you don’t have a solid product that’s going to help them.
Christopher Tims: I understand the psychology behind all that, the excitement of thinking that you can do that. But it’s like me having one or two drum lessons and thinking that I can go out and play in clubs up and down the East coast as a kid. That’s really what it is and that’s a very tangible, tactile way of showing how really silly it is for people to think that they can have a few kind of waves of their spiritual life where they begin to develop some ideas within themselves. Then they want to take it out and save the world from pending doom and disaster.
Kimberly Maska: I’m definitely a proponent of getting out there and sharing your message, because if you’re not out there sharing it, no one’s going to know what you’re doing. What kind of more traditional, we’ll call it, marketing do you do? Or do you do any traditional marketing at all?
Christopher Tims: Because I was kind of scooped into the tele-summit industry, I didn’t even know there were tele-summits, Kimberly. I had no idea, because I was just a non-stop road show, traveling and being in people’s homes all over North America, Australia and different parts of the world. I got a phone call from a lady named Jennifer MacLean and I didn’t know who Jennifer MacLean is. It wasn’t high on my list to return the call. Then I got another call from Jennifer MacLean. My wife says, “You should probably return that call.” I said, “Oh, okay, all right, all right.”
Then I find out that she’s host of this huge tele-summit and I said, “Jennifer, what’s a tele-summit?” She just cracks up, she starts laughing. She said, “That’s so you, that is so you.” I said, “What do you mean that’s so me?” She said, “You don’t remember, but I came to your lectures and teachings in Canada 20 years ago.” She said, “You’ve been on my mind ever since, I can’t get you out of my head. I just finally had to find you.” She said, “And it wasn’t very easy to find you, and we want to change that.” I had her lecturing me. She said, “What do you say you be on, our tele-summit?” I had no idea really of the scope of all of that.
Again, reputation, quality of teaching, consistency in the message. Then the very first tele-summit interview I ever did, I think it was the fourth best in the entire summit, as far as sales. There were big hitters on that. I didn’t even know any of the people on the summit. I didn’t know any of these people. I don’t know who are all these people? Then I’m getting all these phone calls from Darius and Cindy Kubica and John Burgos. Who are these people, what do they want? They want you on the summit. Oh, do they have summits? I don’t know. Things happen despite what you do, not really because of what you do, when you’re willing to just let your spiritual life be your spiritual life….when you become really, really good at what you do, then the visibility is there because you’re really good at what you do, not because you propped yourself up on a pedestal and shone a light on yourself. I’ve found that over and over again in life.
I’ve had the chance to work with a number of the best selling authors and the people throughout the years, and Gregg Brayden once called me the hardest working man in metaphysics.
Kimberly Maska: That says a lot, because I know he’s really busy too.
Christopher Tims: That’s what they call him. He said, “Oh no, it’s really not me, it’s this guy over here.” Who? Who? When you de-stress your spiritual life from having to financially support you, then you’re going to experience the success and the fulfillment that you’re really looking for, keeping that true goal of your spiritual life in mind, that I mentioned. Then, as you apply yourself to the act of business, capitalism with a conscience, you don’t try to create a problem, you don’t point out flaws within someone that then you’re going to fix, no. You just stand as an example of the virtue and the strength of what happens when you develop the other side of the equation.
I’ve worked on what’s right with me, my strong points, my depths. With that, many weaknesses in my character have squeezed themselves out as the years and decades have gone on. That’s a foolproof way of improving yourself instead of just spinning around in your issues and dramas. That’s also a foolproof way of being successful in the business, is feed what works, feed what’s right. You have to live within your conscience, because ultimately, ultimately, I know this is taking it out into a big picture again for everybody, but ultimately, your business life is a reflection of who you are in your own heart.
Kimberly Maska: That is so well said. It really is who we are inside. Our business is a mirror of us and what’s going on.
Christopher Tims: That’s it. That’s it. One of the things I’ve also noticed is that, and it’s not just epidemic in new thought and new age, it’s epidemic everywhere, Kimberly. I think we can help everyone with the idea of, you don’t need to live large. Everybody doesn’t have to live way beyond their means. That’s really a problem within just the last generation and a half, or two generations of people. We’ve been held to the propaganda of the society and its industries, like the banking industry, and the capitalism without a conscience, where they make you want that new car every two or three years. They make you want to upgrade to the bigger house or the second home for a rental. They make you want to become Mr. Monopoly. That’s really an unnecessary amount of stress. If you can dance with all of those things and be Tony Robbins with it, sure, go play with it, have fun. But don’t let it tear you down. Don’t let it compromise your life. I have purposely set my life up to be very simple. I’m mortgage free and by the end of this year I’ll be utility free.
Kimberly Maska: Wow, that’s cool.
Christopher Tims: I’m putting a water wheel on my property to generate all my electricity. It just keeps things simple. That way I’m not stressing out about trying to make the money to keep the standard of living going that my family loves.
Kimberly Maska: I know, money is such a stressor for everybody, right? It’s only energy, but it’s like when people get it in, they don’t take the time to value it and really give gratitude and appreciation for it. What comes in immediately goes out because there’s a stress surrounding it.
Christopher Tims: That’s exactly right, that’s well put, that’s true. They don’t appreciate it. Clients become money instead of clients. How many healers have contaminated their own spiritual path and their journey and their work by turning clients into money?
Kimberly Maska: I think it all goes back to being authentic. Money, and the creation of money is so necessary in this dimension. We need it and abundance is great, but we have to be creating it from the right point. We have to be creating it from a position of wanting to help and give and serve. That way, the abundance just happens. The abundance just comes in when we’re serving versus looking at like, “Oh, I have to go get that client because I need money.” If we can keep it authentic and in the idea of serving, that makes the difference.
Christopher Tims: That’s it. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve flown into a city that I’ve never even been to before, or barely even heard of. I wind up doing a talk somewhere that I’ve never heard and there’s 150 people there to hear somebody who’s not a best selling author, not a television celebrity. I’m just a man walking down a road. That’s the beauty and the simplicity of it. Money is not the point. Money can be a beautiful byproduct, and believe me, I thoroughly enjoy the benefits of all of this when it works great. But when it begins to not produce the way that I want it to produce, no matter what’s really going on in the way of visibility and things like that, then I can do other things. My lifestyle is simple enough that it doesn’t stress it all out.
Kimberly Maska: I really think that’s such a beautiful way to live. We get so tied down with things. We don’t need the things, it’s just about being joyous and happy with what we have and where we are and being able to give, create the abundance and be able to give back.
Christopher Tims: That’s right, how many people have expensive sets of golf clubs that sit in their closet? Oh, I’m really going to play a lot now. I’ll be able to do this, this will be great, and they just collect dust.
Kimberly Maska: What has been your greatest business success?
Christopher Tims: My greatest success, in the beginning of it, when it grew and it was just growing … It was like I was taking one step forward, not even really seeing anything in front of me. There was stepping stones right there, one after another. Before I knew it, I was on different local, regional TV interviews in California, was on the Wisdom channel back when there was the Wisdom channel on Dish. To grow worldwide, where there were people. The greatest success is when people would call me and leave me messages, before I had cell phone and internet stuff, on my 800 number. I had an 800 number for people to leave information. People would call and just say how much it meant to them to have me come to their town and talk, and that they had never heard anything like it before and it’s changed their lives.
Then I would go back to that town and that person would have brought 10 people to the next talk. Their friends that they had to drag there. It would all just grow because of those beautiful feelings. I can’t tell you how emotional that is, still to this day, when people tell me, “The way you put things just touches me. I’ve never heard it put this way before.” The way I explain some of the more abstract states of consciousness, it helps someone in some way through their own psychology or through their stuck spots. That’s really the greatest reward.
Sure, making a briefcase full of money has been fun here and there along the way. When I have tons of money, then I tend to spend lots of money. I’m not a big investor. I don’t buy into the marketplace and stock market and all that stuff. It’s land, it’s helping people that want to get started on their dream. I have old vehicles and I keep them perfect and they’re conditioned. I have no car payments. When money comes and is available to help other people to invest in assets that are not going to evaporate overnight, I lend.
The world’s changing everyone, everyone knows that. There’s a lot of the exploitation of the marketplace in stocks and in the selling of services and products like we’re in. Invest in what is not temporary. Invest yourself in what is eternal first, and then what is going to last here in the physical world. You keep your life simple, and I have a very high standard of living. I’m organic, I’m vegan, I train five, six days a week. I study kung fu privately with a fourth generation grand master every week. I do all of these amazing things that I want to do. It comes from crafting a lifestyle that is not larger than life.
Kimberly Maska: I love that. A lifestyle that’s not larger than life.
Christopher Tims: Yeah. Having time is everyone’s most valuable commodity and I watch many people around me, Kimberly, that are just zooming. I don’t mean zooming just for a day or two. I told you before we started, that I’ve been zooming all day here and it’s been exciting. Clearly, cleaning, organizing, getting rid of stuff, recycling stuff, emptying out things. I mean people that go on for years and they don’t stop.
Kimberly Maska: I can actually say I know that all too well. I know my years on Wall street, everything zoomed by. I don’t want to say that I lost those years, but I was so busy doing, I wasn’t “being.” When I look back, I really do kind of wonder what happened there? When you’re zooming like that, things are passing you, you fully lose perspective of what’s going on. I’m fortunate that I’ve been able to regain that perspective and come out of that.
Christopher Tims: Absolutely, it’s true. As we grow a little bit older in life, you realize that you don’t get any of that time back.
Kimberly Maska: No you don’t.
Christopher Tims: Then you have to look out and go, “Okay, well what I had to learn from this is that I’m not going to do that again.”
Kimberly Maska: Absolutely.
Christopher Tims: Right? I did it once and now I don’t need to do that anymore. If I want to take an afternoon and just read out of several of the ancient civilization books that I study and watch some of the videos that I get to further my understanding and my insight into the ancient world, I can do any of that. If I want to spend two hours at the gym and just work on my stretching, take an extra half an hour and practice my drums, or do more kung fu today, I can do that right now. My time is framed around my priority, not some artificial need that I’ve generated outside of myself.
Kimberly Maska: I am truly inspired by how you live and I hope other people will be inspired by you as well. That’s I think, really a goal for all of us, to have our time and live our life how we want to.
Christopher Tims: I hope so and I hope it doesn’t sound too vague, because it’s really not. It’s really how I’ve lived my life. It works and it works very well.
Kimberly Maska: That is so powerful. Looking back on your journey, knowing what you know now, If you were to say, “If I had only know then what I know now.” What would you have changed on your journey?
Christopher Tims: I would have been kinder with my father during those late teen, early 20 years when I think I’m the master of the universe and my father was a fool. Then you begin to realize that no, dad’s pretty right on. He was patient and steadfast in his way of just loving me, letting me go and do my own thing. There was a lot of stress and heartache for not taking over the family business, because that was going to be his retirement. That’s what he had invested in, it was me. Instead, I’m off doing this crazy spiritual thing and to a Normandy, World War II Vet, that’s just craziness.
After a number of years of all of that and dad and I having this stressed, kind but stressed relationship, he and mom came to pick me up at the airport one day in Philly when I flew back in. As he came, he just gave me a hug which was unusual for dad and he said, “I want you to know that your mother and I are very proud of you. Whatever it is that you do.” I said, “Really?” I said, “That’s wonderful.” He said, “We get phone calls. People call us and tell us about what you’ve been doing, what you’ve done for them. Mother doesn’t really understand it and neither do I, but we’re proud of you.” All of those years of stress just melted away and I guess one got the other. Meaning that the stress and that estrangement got the end result at that finish line, but I think dad and I both would have benefited greatly if I was just kinder.
That’s my, kinder and more patient, a little more mature, of course. It is what it is. As far as business and the growth of my own spiritual organization, the Order of the Blue Star over these years, many people said that they were interested in helping me grow, helping me do things. A lot of the authors, the big deals of the last 25 years. I didn’t really pursue that, I didn’t pursue those contacts, Kimberly. Everything comes in a wave, everything has its rhythm. When that wave passed, it was gone. Does that make sense?
Kimberly Maska: It does and then you look back and you’re like, “Damn.”
Christopher Tims: I know, I know. At the same time, I know that there’s always another wave. The ocean is never still for very long. Instead of the things that I did and I’d get a call from some lady named Jennifer MacLean and then the whole thing just started. It’s been a beautiful ride, a beautiful journey and I look forward to another 27 years of teaching and traveling. Although the majority of my work is home now. I don’t really have the drive to do what I once did on the road. With the internet the way that it is, a lot of my big conferences and teachings are all video.
Kimberly Maska: It really is amazing how there is almost no need to leave the house.
Christopher Tims: I’ve got a great little studio set up in the house, a great mic, great video camera, a great connection. I have people from Africa and Iceland, Switzerland, Europe, everywhere, all over Canada and the States that come to my classes every week. It’s mind blowing because I’d never meet hardly any of these people if I hadn’t traveled there.
Kimberly Maska: You have just been amazing. I love the messages that you’ve given. I want to thank you so much for taking the time to share your energy with us. I can really feel you and feel your energy, it’s just been so calming to listen to you. It’s been lovely.
Christopher Tims: Thank you, thank you. It’s fun to talk with you about this because I don’t think about it that much. I’ve been thinking about it for a couple of days knowing that our interview was coming up. I thought yeah, I do need to talk about this, clearly.
Kimberly Maska: Thank you again for sharing your energy. Where, for the audience who doesn’t know you, which I find that hard to believe, but for any of my audience that doesn’t know where to find you, where are they going to go?
Christopher Tims: All things Christopher Tims, all you have to do is remember the name Christopher Tims, T-i-m-s, it’s ChristopherTims.com.
Kimberly Maska: Thank you for joining us on Spiritual Biz Chat and I will see you soon.
Christopher Tims: My pleasure, thank you for having me.